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		<title>Comment on Christian moderns by Greg R. Lawson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2009/11/19/christian-moderns/comment-page-1/#comment-7027</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg R. Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If modernity is about &quot;human liberation&quot; the question must inevitably be asked, is man better off as &quot;liberated?&quot;  While a lack of freedom can clearly result in despotisms ranging from merely semi-authoritarian to totalitarian, is &quot;complete freedom&quot; or &quot;mastery&quot; bringing about happiness in the human condition?  

This seems to be the crux upon which the debate over modernity rests.  Certainly, modernity has yielded amazing material gains.  However, even as it satisfies physical needs (and even physical desires far exceeding needs) does it satisfy the non-material yearnings that man has?  If not, then can modernity be considered a teleologically &quot;good&quot; thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If modernity is about &#8220;human liberation&#8221; the question must inevitably be asked, is man better off as &#8220;liberated?&#8221;  While a lack of freedom can clearly result in despotisms ranging from merely semi-authoritarian to totalitarian, is &#8220;complete freedom&#8221; or &#8220;mastery&#8221; bringing about happiness in the human condition?  </p>
<p>This seems to be the crux upon which the debate over modernity rests.  Certainly, modernity has yielded amazing material gains.  However, even as it satisfies physical needs (and even physical desires far exceeding needs) does it satisfy the non-material yearnings that man has?  If not, then can modernity be considered a teleologically &#8220;good&#8221; thing?</p>
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		<title>Comment on So you want to be a new atheist by JP McBride</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2009/11/16/so-you-want-to-be-a-new-atheist/comment-page-1/#comment-7020</link>
		<dc:creator>JP McBride</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Like millennial believers everywhere, New Atheists don’t possess much interest in the historicity of their promises and prophesies. You won’t see New Atheists entering the atheist historical fray, positing, for instance, whether the tradition to which they are contributors began in ancient Greece or the eighteenth-century.&quot;

There&#039;s an atheist historical fray?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Like millennial believers everywhere, New Atheists don’t possess much interest in the historicity of their promises and prophesies. You won’t see New Atheists entering the atheist historical fray, positing, for instance, whether the tradition to which they are contributors began in ancient Greece or the eighteenth-century.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an atheist historical fray?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Buddha according to Brooks by Earle H. Landry</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2008/06/12/the-buddha-according-to-brooks/comment-page-1/#comment-7010</link>
		<dc:creator>Earle H. Landry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linguistic, historical, and archeological methods have been used to distinguish earlier and later layers in the works attributed to Plato, Aristotle, and (with greater cultural impact) the Hebrew scriptures. Those same tools have been now exercised on the Pali, Sanskrit, Chinese, and Tibetan writings said to be derived from Gautama the Buddha. While the task is ongoing, it is already producing results. Perhaps the best we can hope for by way of &quot;original Buddhism&quot; will be the earliest layer of the surviving texts.

Much of the Sanskrit Buddhist literature survives only in Chinese or Tibetan translation. The only complete collection of the earliest traditions (they were oral, so &quot;texts&quot; is a metaphor) is the Pali Tipitaka of Sri Lanka and Southeast Asia. The north Indian Sanskrit forms of the stories of the Buddha teaching - the Suttas or Sutras - differ in only in minor ways from the Pali. Amazing, considering the cultural, geographical, and temporal distance between them. That forms a field of research, if not a quest, for the oldest form of &quot;Buddhism.&quot;

The picture of pre-Asokan Buddhism that emerges is an artifact of Western scholarship. But it is the best picture we have. Using it as a Procrustean bed on which to trim the existing Asian Buddhist religions is a bad idea. But as a Western Buddhist myself, I find it a good standard to apply to them in my selection of what shall constitute Buddhism for myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linguistic, historical, and archeological methods have been used to distinguish earlier and later layers in the works attributed to Plato, Aristotle, and (with greater cultural impact) the Hebrew scriptures. Those same tools have been now exercised on the Pali, Sanskrit, Chinese, and Tibetan writings said to be derived from Gautama the Buddha. While the task is ongoing, it is already producing results. Perhaps the best we can hope for by way of &#8220;original Buddhism&#8221; will be the earliest layer of the surviving texts.</p>
<p>Much of the Sanskrit Buddhist literature survives only in Chinese or Tibetan translation. The only complete collection of the earliest traditions (they were oral, so &#8220;texts&#8221; is a metaphor) is the Pali Tipitaka of Sri Lanka and Southeast Asia. The north Indian Sanskrit forms of the stories of the Buddha teaching &#8211; the Suttas or Sutras &#8211; differ in only in minor ways from the Pali. Amazing, considering the cultural, geographical, and temporal distance between them. That forms a field of research, if not a quest, for the oldest form of &#8220;Buddhism.&#8221;</p>
<p>The picture of pre-Asokan Buddhism that emerges is an artifact of Western scholarship. But it is the best picture we have. Using it as a Procrustean bed on which to trim the existing Asian Buddhist religions is a bad idea. But as a Western Buddhist myself, I find it a good standard to apply to them in my selection of what shall constitute Buddhism for myself.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Obama and the end of exceptionalism by Caitlin Scott</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2009/06/22/obama-and-the-end-of-exceptionalism/comment-page-1/#comment-7008</link>
		<dc:creator>Caitlin Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 01:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Thomas Dumm’s article there emerges a certain sense of tragic inevitability about the decline of America as a country. All countries after all, “decline in their own timetables and in their own ways.” Incorporated in America’s mythical conception of itself however, is a conviction that as a nation we possess something enduring and indestructible because of its transcendent truth. Freedom for instance, is conceived as worthy of protection so that it remains accessible to all citizens and theoretically all people. There is something that we stand for which time and trial cannot kill at the root. If this is the case, then America has something to offer which belongs to all nations and their people; a thought that should inform the formation and execution of foreign policy and diplomacy. If we claim to uphold the fundamental ideologies of equality and liberty then we must recognize that they inherently extend to all people, all countries and all ethnic groups. If these ideologies do not speak for all of humanity I do not think they can ever adequately speak for an America that increasingly reflects the image of a global community within its new and native citizenry. 

    The addiction to newness that Dumm refers to it is not necessarily a negative component to an American identity; regeneration, re-birth and transformation are all powerfully effective themes for humanity and have inspired projects of immense difficulty and tremendous benefit for many. It is this addiction or attraction to newness that will be useful in the formation of a new American identity, one in which our voice will not be the loudest in a chorus of international concerns and global initiatives. America has been described by Obama and others as being in a time of crisis and at a pivotal point in regards to its own future success and well being. The challenges that America faces however are not simply of internal import, they are of global significance. No one leader or even the entire American populace can single handedly tidy up the economic and environmental injustice that strains the country, for the nature of the modern world is marked by inextricable links and relationships between industrialized nations. American needs to find its place amidst a pantheon of powers and finally relinquish its self prophetic vision as omnipotent savior and benevolent leader of the world.

      I will also suggest that decline need not be perceived as so catastrophic an occurrence. Dumm points out that what we need at this point is someone to manage our decline without destroying the world, and I agree with this statement.  Yet what if our decline as a superpower that greatly affects the welfare of so many millions worldwide, signals only a more equitable distribution of power and political efficacy? It is an error I think to cast ourselves as the super hero in a world drama trying to reclaim his infallible identity and use his power for good before another country (or superhero) uses it for evil. Prevalent in some of the discourse about the possible decline of America as a super power is the idea of its right to power, despite countless examples of its insufficiency as the world’s sole arbiter of justice and charity. Obama will indeed have to face the possibility of America’s decline as a superpower but this in itself may not be the challenge.

   Can America maintain a sense of its exceptionalism in a world in which it is not the mightiest, or is the age of exceptionalism, as the author suggests, passing away altogether? Even if Obama’s task is not to place America once again on a pedestal of benevolence and power, a test that requires his dynamic leadership is still at hand. Obama’s greatest accomplishment could be to help Americans realize the effectiveness of embracing our weaknesses and allying our frailties to the strengths and wisdom of other nations. It is a transformation that does not require us to abandon what is beneficial in our power or what remains valuable in the enduring things of “old”.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Thomas Dumm’s article there emerges a certain sense of tragic inevitability about the decline of America as a country. All countries after all, “decline in their own timetables and in their own ways.” Incorporated in America’s mythical conception of itself however, is a conviction that as a nation we possess something enduring and indestructible because of its transcendent truth. Freedom for instance, is conceived as worthy of protection so that it remains accessible to all citizens and theoretically all people. There is something that we stand for which time and trial cannot kill at the root. If this is the case, then America has something to offer which belongs to all nations and their people; a thought that should inform the formation and execution of foreign policy and diplomacy. If we claim to uphold the fundamental ideologies of equality and liberty then we must recognize that they inherently extend to all people, all countries and all ethnic groups. If these ideologies do not speak for all of humanity I do not think they can ever adequately speak for an America that increasingly reflects the image of a global community within its new and native citizenry. </p>
<p>    The addiction to newness that Dumm refers to it is not necessarily a negative component to an American identity; regeneration, re-birth and transformation are all powerfully effective themes for humanity and have inspired projects of immense difficulty and tremendous benefit for many. It is this addiction or attraction to newness that will be useful in the formation of a new American identity, one in which our voice will not be the loudest in a chorus of international concerns and global initiatives. America has been described by Obama and others as being in a time of crisis and at a pivotal point in regards to its own future success and well being. The challenges that America faces however are not simply of internal import, they are of global significance. No one leader or even the entire American populace can single handedly tidy up the economic and environmental injustice that strains the country, for the nature of the modern world is marked by inextricable links and relationships between industrialized nations. American needs to find its place amidst a pantheon of powers and finally relinquish its self prophetic vision as omnipotent savior and benevolent leader of the world.</p>
<p>      I will also suggest that decline need not be perceived as so catastrophic an occurrence. Dumm points out that what we need at this point is someone to manage our decline without destroying the world, and I agree with this statement.  Yet what if our decline as a superpower that greatly affects the welfare of so many millions worldwide, signals only a more equitable distribution of power and political efficacy? It is an error I think to cast ourselves as the super hero in a world drama trying to reclaim his infallible identity and use his power for good before another country (or superhero) uses it for evil. Prevalent in some of the discourse about the possible decline of America as a super power is the idea of its right to power, despite countless examples of its insufficiency as the world’s sole arbiter of justice and charity. Obama will indeed have to face the possibility of America’s decline as a superpower but this in itself may not be the challenge.</p>
<p>   Can America maintain a sense of its exceptionalism in a world in which it is not the mightiest, or is the age of exceptionalism, as the author suggests, passing away altogether? Even if Obama’s task is not to place America once again on a pedestal of benevolence and power, a test that requires his dynamic leadership is still at hand. Obama’s greatest accomplishment could be to help Americans realize the effectiveness of embracing our weaknesses and allying our frailties to the strengths and wisdom of other nations. It is a transformation that does not require us to abandon what is beneficial in our power or what remains valuable in the enduring things of “old”.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Religious and sexual freedoms are not opposed by Jaimee Molberger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2009/07/22/religious-and-sexual-freedoms-are-not-opposed/comment-page-1/#comment-7007</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaimee Molberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post by Ms. Jakobsen and Ms. Pellegrini raises some interesting points regarding sexual freedom and religious freedom.  I was particularly struck by the discussion on religious marriages verses civil unions.  We claim to be a country that observes a separation of church and state, and yet, an issue such as whether to allow gay marriages illuminates the inconsistencies within what we practice and what we preach.  They conclude that the “religious problem” created by gay marriage is not the benefits which would need to be awarded to same sex couples, but rather the intrinsic connection that the state would have to any sort of religious marriage.  It is indeed an issue that the state is recognizing both religious and civil marriages.  However, I am not certain that the solution that is put forth could ever really be enacted.  
	
Ms. Jakobsen and Ms. Pellegrini suggest that by separating religious marriages from civil unions we will be able to truly maintain a separation of church and state as we have claimed to do throughout much of our nation’s history.  However, how can we separate religious and civil unions so that religious marriages do not provide the secular benefits that couples are accustomed to receiving upon their marriage?  Is it realistic to think that the change can be made? This adjustment would require that all couples wishing to receive a religious marriage would also need to acquire a civil union.  Without taking both steps couples would no longer be recognized either by their god, or by their state.  Both of which can be considered problematic.  Even if we were able to successfully enact this policy, unfortunately I am not certain that it would be able to solve the problem that it is aiming to eliminate.  Although technically this solution would separate civil unions for gay couples from the debates regarding homosexuality and religion, it would not eliminate the strong views that many individuals posses.  While some people concerned only with the sanctity of religious marriage might be pleased with the change, others who are opposed to homosexual relationships in general will likely maintain their current stance on this issue.  It is important to recognize both of these parties when trying to solve the issue at hand.  I believe that people would continue to fight against gay marriages using the arguments of religion even if civil marriage was entirely separated from religious marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post by Ms. Jakobsen and Ms. Pellegrini raises some interesting points regarding sexual freedom and religious freedom.  I was particularly struck by the discussion on religious marriages verses civil unions.  We claim to be a country that observes a separation of church and state, and yet, an issue such as whether to allow gay marriages illuminates the inconsistencies within what we practice and what we preach.  They conclude that the “religious problem” created by gay marriage is not the benefits which would need to be awarded to same sex couples, but rather the intrinsic connection that the state would have to any sort of religious marriage.  It is indeed an issue that the state is recognizing both religious and civil marriages.  However, I am not certain that the solution that is put forth could ever really be enacted.  </p>
<p>Ms. Jakobsen and Ms. Pellegrini suggest that by separating religious marriages from civil unions we will be able to truly maintain a separation of church and state as we have claimed to do throughout much of our nation’s history.  However, how can we separate religious and civil unions so that religious marriages do not provide the secular benefits that couples are accustomed to receiving upon their marriage?  Is it realistic to think that the change can be made? This adjustment would require that all couples wishing to receive a religious marriage would also need to acquire a civil union.  Without taking both steps couples would no longer be recognized either by their god, or by their state.  Both of which can be considered problematic.  Even if we were able to successfully enact this policy, unfortunately I am not certain that it would be able to solve the problem that it is aiming to eliminate.  Although technically this solution would separate civil unions for gay couples from the debates regarding homosexuality and religion, it would not eliminate the strong views that many individuals posses.  While some people concerned only with the sanctity of religious marriage might be pleased with the change, others who are opposed to homosexual relationships in general will likely maintain their current stance on this issue.  It is important to recognize both of these parties when trying to solve the issue at hand.  I believe that people would continue to fight against gay marriages using the arguments of religion even if civil marriage was entirely separated from religious marriage.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Toward a universalist exceptionalism by Nicole LaConte</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2009/06/23/toward-a-universalist-exceptionalism/comment-page-1/#comment-7006</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole LaConte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with the author’s claims that vertical exceptionalism is dying and that horizontal exceptionalism is thriving. I disagree with these assertions on a practical, rather than theoretical, basis.

In theory, these claims seem true. American history, both domestic and international, seriously undermines the idea of American superiority and dominance over other nations. Consider, for example, the Bay of Pigs fiasco or the seemingly pointless War on Terror. Having become the first black president, Obama seems to embody the American melting pot: a racial minority has become the American figurehead.

The first reality that the author fails to acknowledge is the fact that Obama is continuing American vertical exceptionalism. In his inaugural address, Obama expressed his belief in American superiority and uniqueness in the world: he followed John Winthrop’s “city upon a hill” ideology. According to Obama, because “we remain the most prosperous, powerful nation on earth” and our “ideals still light the world,” we can be secure in “the knowledge that God calls on us to shape an uncertain destiny.” God has given America, the New Jerusalem, to his chosen people so that they can serve as the “city upon a hill” for all other nations to admire and imitate.

The second unacknowledged reality is the mythic nature of the American melting pot. In practice, the melting pot represents assimilation, not multiculturalism: it seeks to eliminate differences, not celebrate them. Although Obama does embody different races and nationalities, these diverse social locations were extremely problematic for both the news media and the general public during the presidential campaign. Questions raged about whether Obama, black in appearance but not descended from slaves, was either too black or not black enough. Some even suggested that with a name like Barack Hussein Obama, he clearly associated with – and perhaps even was! – an Islamic terrorist. Rather than confirming the American melting pot, whether imagined as assimilationist or multicultural, the presidential campaign highlighted how problematic race, religion, and national origin still are in the United States.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with the author’s claims that vertical exceptionalism is dying and that horizontal exceptionalism is thriving. I disagree with these assertions on a practical, rather than theoretical, basis.</p>
<p>In theory, these claims seem true. American history, both domestic and international, seriously undermines the idea of American superiority and dominance over other nations. Consider, for example, the Bay of Pigs fiasco or the seemingly pointless War on Terror. Having become the first black president, Obama seems to embody the American melting pot: a racial minority has become the American figurehead.</p>
<p>The first reality that the author fails to acknowledge is the fact that Obama is continuing American vertical exceptionalism. In his inaugural address, Obama expressed his belief in American superiority and uniqueness in the world: he followed John Winthrop’s “city upon a hill” ideology. According to Obama, because “we remain the most prosperous, powerful nation on earth” and our “ideals still light the world,” we can be secure in “the knowledge that God calls on us to shape an uncertain destiny.” God has given America, the New Jerusalem, to his chosen people so that they can serve as the “city upon a hill” for all other nations to admire and imitate.</p>
<p>The second unacknowledged reality is the mythic nature of the American melting pot. In practice, the melting pot represents assimilation, not multiculturalism: it seeks to eliminate differences, not celebrate them. Although Obama does embody different races and nationalities, these diverse social locations were extremely problematic for both the news media and the general public during the presidential campaign. Questions raged about whether Obama, black in appearance but not descended from slaves, was either too black or not black enough. Some even suggested that with a name like Barack Hussein Obama, he clearly associated with – and perhaps even was! – an Islamic terrorist. Rather than confirming the American melting pot, whether imagined as assimilationist or multicultural, the presidential campaign highlighted how problematic race, religion, and national origin still are in the United States.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The future Catholic Church by Sue Caldwell</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2009/11/14/the-future-catholic-church/comment-page-1/#comment-7001</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Caldwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 03:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The phrase &quot;retaining market share&quot; says it all. 

Religion as business, which  is what all churches and religions to one degree or another are. 

And in the case of the &quot;Catholic&quot; church, big-time business---the worlds first power seeking transnational corporation. A &quot;religious&quot; corporation which would, if unimpeded, take whatever steps it could to &quot;rule&quot; the entire world, which did not become world dominant by practicing the Gospel of Jesus.

Plus anyone who quotes George Weigel on the future of religion is admitting how deluded he or she is.  

Remember that George wrote a book in which he claims that there is no &quot;salvation&quot; outside of the &quot;Catholic&quot; church. Protestant churches, especially those of a liberal persuasion, are of course completely beyond the pale---so too with liberal catholics.

Such a claim is of course completely untrue and and offense to all other Faith Traditions.

Plus Weigel associates with USA right-wing religionists who have no time at all, in a now instantaneously connected globalized world, for the necessary project and process of Ecumenicism. 

We possess the &quot;truth&quot; and you are therefore inherently. Therefore what is there to talk about, or agree upon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The phrase &#8220;retaining market share&#8221; says it all. </p>
<p>Religion as business, which  is what all churches and religions to one degree or another are. </p>
<p>And in the case of the &#8220;Catholic&#8221; church, big-time business&#8212;the worlds first power seeking transnational corporation. A &#8220;religious&#8221; corporation which would, if unimpeded, take whatever steps it could to &#8220;rule&#8221; the entire world, which did not become world dominant by practicing the Gospel of Jesus.</p>
<p>Plus anyone who quotes George Weigel on the future of religion is admitting how deluded he or she is.  </p>
<p>Remember that George wrote a book in which he claims that there is no &#8220;salvation&#8221; outside of the &#8220;Catholic&#8221; church. Protestant churches, especially those of a liberal persuasion, are of course completely beyond the pale&#8212;so too with liberal catholics.</p>
<p>Such a claim is of course completely untrue and and offense to all other Faith Traditions.</p>
<p>Plus Weigel associates with USA right-wing religionists who have no time at all, in a now instantaneously connected globalized world, for the necessary project and process of Ecumenicism. </p>
<p>We possess the &#8220;truth&#8221; and you are therefore inherently. Therefore what is there to talk about, or agree upon.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Teaching for democracy by Welbith Mota</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2009/07/03/teaching-for-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-6996</link>
		<dc:creator>Welbith Mota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America needs to  “reconnect with the energies of a deep democratic tradition … and reignite them.” We need to foster “democratic paideia---the cultivation of an active, informed citizens---in order to preserve and deepen our democratic experiment.” 
             -	Cornell West 

Defining democracy and its practices remains an illusive challenge. What exactly is it? What’s its relationship to public institutions, most importantly, to public education? Is America’s crusade to democratize the world just (or democratic!)? More critically, although some feel that it has the potential to exist, we should ask, as Whitman does, whether democracy has a life beyond theory? Whitman wrote that “We have frequently printed the word Democracy … yet … it is a word the real gist of which still sleeps, quite unawakened…” In any case, these are some of the questions that continue to plague concerned Americans, citizens around the globe, philosophers, educators and democratic politicians.

Nevertheless, I believe that the vast majority of Americans (and the globe’s democratic people) have an intuitive awareness about what makes a democratic society, about its foundational principles---justice, shared-responsibility, equality and equity, stability, security, critical citizenship, compassion, and a commitment to human rights---and this is the case, even if we cannot define it absolute, or claim it to be entirely real. 

I take the time to discuss the “meaning” of democracy because  (given Mr. Lofton, Mr. Goswick and Mr. Rowe’s discussion about the necessity for the meaning of democracy and of American politics) I think it is important to point out that Mr. Ayers’s analysis of American education also works with a definition of democracy and of democratic education that is not perfect, but hopeful.
 
The Brother has a vision of the future. Wherein our schools are committed to equality and equity, and to empowering students of all races, creeds, and class; where all students receive the necessary tools to be critical thinkers, and agents in the world; of educational spaces that promote diversity in its broadest sense, and invite dissension and non-conformism. In this future classroom, student-teacher power dynamics will not take precedence, neither will routine testing; indifference will be neither taught nor tolerated, and imagination will be fostered and encouraged. It is a vision. But environmentalist Susan Griffin aptly states, “Let us begin to imagine the worlds we would like to inhabit…”

There is a prophetic tone to Mr. Ayers&#039;s condemnation of American public education. On the one hand, he castigates America for not fulfilling its promise of equitable education to all, and points to future danger/a dangerous future for all our children and this nation; yet, on the other hand, there is a light named Hope. Ayers challenges and encourages us when he states: “The power of rising expectations, of imagination unleashed, of hope for something better than the politics of division and war and fear – all of it is in the air and on the move.” And this is why I agree with Mr. Ayers that as a nation we need a strong and committed to deconstructing our current system, and to a radical REconstruction of our public schools. If democracy is to persist, than this “re-imagining” of American education can and must take place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America needs to  “reconnect with the energies of a deep democratic tradition … and reignite them.” We need to foster “democratic paideia&#8212;the cultivation of an active, informed citizens&#8212;in order to preserve and deepen our democratic experiment.”<br />
             -	Cornell West </p>
<p>Defining democracy and its practices remains an illusive challenge. What exactly is it? What’s its relationship to public institutions, most importantly, to public education? Is America’s crusade to democratize the world just (or democratic!)? More critically, although some feel that it has the potential to exist, we should ask, as Whitman does, whether democracy has a life beyond theory? Whitman wrote that “We have frequently printed the word Democracy … yet … it is a word the real gist of which still sleeps, quite unawakened…” In any case, these are some of the questions that continue to plague concerned Americans, citizens around the globe, philosophers, educators and democratic politicians.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I believe that the vast majority of Americans (and the globe’s democratic people) have an intuitive awareness about what makes a democratic society, about its foundational principles&#8212;justice, shared-responsibility, equality and equity, stability, security, critical citizenship, compassion, and a commitment to human rights&#8212;and this is the case, even if we cannot define it absolute, or claim it to be entirely real. </p>
<p>I take the time to discuss the “meaning” of democracy because  (given Mr. Lofton, Mr. Goswick and Mr. Rowe’s discussion about the necessity for the meaning of democracy and of American politics) I think it is important to point out that Mr. Ayers’s analysis of American education also works with a definition of democracy and of democratic education that is not perfect, but hopeful.</p>
<p>The Brother has a vision of the future. Wherein our schools are committed to equality and equity, and to empowering students of all races, creeds, and class; where all students receive the necessary tools to be critical thinkers, and agents in the world; of educational spaces that promote diversity in its broadest sense, and invite dissension and non-conformism. In this future classroom, student-teacher power dynamics will not take precedence, neither will routine testing; indifference will be neither taught nor tolerated, and imagination will be fostered and encouraged. It is a vision. But environmentalist Susan Griffin aptly states, “Let us begin to imagine the worlds we would like to inhabit…”</p>
<p>There is a prophetic tone to Mr. Ayers&#8217;s condemnation of American public education. On the one hand, he castigates America for not fulfilling its promise of equitable education to all, and points to future danger/a dangerous future for all our children and this nation; yet, on the other hand, there is a light named Hope. Ayers challenges and encourages us when he states: “The power of rising expectations, of imagination unleashed, of hope for something better than the politics of division and war and fear – all of it is in the air and on the move.” And this is why I agree with Mr. Ayers that as a nation we need a strong and committed to deconstructing our current system, and to a radical REconstruction of our public schools. If democracy is to persist, than this “re-imagining” of American education can and must take place.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The philosopher-citizen by Tony Stigliano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Stigliano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Juergen Habermas has articulated the minimal normative structure for rational political and moral discourse. In doing so, he provides the basis for a critique of power not possible for relativism. Hence, his critique extends beyond the irrational opposition to social democracy. His argument that &quot;post-modern&quot; thinkers (like Foucault, Lyotard and others) are conservative thinkers is important as a defense of Enlightenment philosophy and science. One can see his immediate relevance as a counter to the destructive forces of  contemporary American politics. Fox News, Glen Beck, the &quot;teabaggers&quot; represent the kind of discourse permitted by the post-modernist rejection of objectivity and argument. He also provides a needed antidote to Leo Strauss&#039;s claims that Enlightenment reason leads to relativism. Nevertheless, Habermas has argued in a self-critique that his discourse ethics remains detached from concrete historical realities. He has tempered the abstract universal thinking of his work with that of George Herbert Mead and Max Weber, but the problem of an abstract, theoretical point of view remains a serious stumbling block. His discourse ethics may evoke principles that enable one to judge contemporary politics, but the utopian presumption of that discourse endangers Habermas&#039; relevance. Rational ethics, which would include everyone affected by any decision in deliberations, cannot provide a substantive good. The demands of the American Right are for a way of life based on faith has stymied meaningful political deliberation. Attempts to counter such faith-based politics with facts and reasoned argument has only exacerbated the situation. One move is to find common ground with religion that can provide a compelling bond for a dispersed and fragmented social order. But, religion is an uneasy partner for Habermas&#039;s &quot;pure&quot; ethical principles. Without it, Habermas remains more academic than pragmatic. The Christian basis for the American Right has given it a psychological persuasiveness because it provides an experiential, communitarian basis for action that is sorely lacking in any universal ethical system. Moreover, what makes the post-modernists compelling in many ways is the non-rational nature of human action and life. Myth and ideology reject rationality, but they are compelling for people to live a certain way of life. Rational thought does not provide an alternative to these non-rational forms of life. We can know what is right, but we act against (not all the time) that right out of an embodied sense of history and identity. The Enlightenment&#039;s project was to dispel myth and superstition, but it only created the conditions for the return of myth and supersititon. One of those conditions is nihilism. Science negates the comforting stories of the Bible and Qur&#039;an, but it cannot provide a substitute for them. The Death of God may not be liberating because the vacuum created requires a new god, not a rational theory of discourse, no matter how sophisticated. We must applaud Habermas&#039;s brilliance, but we also must realize the implications of an abstract theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juergen Habermas has articulated the minimal normative structure for rational political and moral discourse. In doing so, he provides the basis for a critique of power not possible for relativism. Hence, his critique extends beyond the irrational opposition to social democracy. His argument that &#8220;post-modern&#8221; thinkers (like Foucault, Lyotard and others) are conservative thinkers is important as a defense of Enlightenment philosophy and science. One can see his immediate relevance as a counter to the destructive forces of  contemporary American politics. Fox News, Glen Beck, the &#8220;teabaggers&#8221; represent the kind of discourse permitted by the post-modernist rejection of objectivity and argument. He also provides a needed antidote to Leo Strauss&#8217;s claims that Enlightenment reason leads to relativism. Nevertheless, Habermas has argued in a self-critique that his discourse ethics remains detached from concrete historical realities. He has tempered the abstract universal thinking of his work with that of George Herbert Mead and Max Weber, but the problem of an abstract, theoretical point of view remains a serious stumbling block. His discourse ethics may evoke principles that enable one to judge contemporary politics, but the utopian presumption of that discourse endangers Habermas&#8217; relevance. Rational ethics, which would include everyone affected by any decision in deliberations, cannot provide a substantive good. The demands of the American Right are for a way of life based on faith has stymied meaningful political deliberation. Attempts to counter such faith-based politics with facts and reasoned argument has only exacerbated the situation. One move is to find common ground with religion that can provide a compelling bond for a dispersed and fragmented social order. But, religion is an uneasy partner for Habermas&#8217;s &#8220;pure&#8221; ethical principles. Without it, Habermas remains more academic than pragmatic. The Christian basis for the American Right has given it a psychological persuasiveness because it provides an experiential, communitarian basis for action that is sorely lacking in any universal ethical system. Moreover, what makes the post-modernists compelling in many ways is the non-rational nature of human action and life. Myth and ideology reject rationality, but they are compelling for people to live a certain way of life. Rational thought does not provide an alternative to these non-rational forms of life. We can know what is right, but we act against (not all the time) that right out of an embodied sense of history and identity. The Enlightenment&#8217;s project was to dispel myth and superstition, but it only created the conditions for the return of myth and supersititon. One of those conditions is nihilism. Science negates the comforting stories of the Bible and Qur&#8217;an, but it cannot provide a substitute for them. The Death of God may not be liberating because the vacuum created requires a new god, not a rational theory of discourse, no matter how sophisticated. We must applaud Habermas&#8217;s brilliance, but we also must realize the implications of an abstract theory.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Religious environmentalism by Eoin O'Mahony</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2009/11/09/religious-environmentalism/comment-page-1/#comment-6957</link>
		<dc:creator>Eoin O'Mahony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And then: http://tinyurl.com/yk75w5e</description>
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