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	<title>Comments on: Waking up to still being a faith-based nation</title>
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		<title>By: David Slakter</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Slakter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 18:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would like to see a reference to someone stating seriously the claim and corollary that Ms. Sullivan mentions in the first paragraph.  While &#039;secular&#039; is a multiply ambiguous term, Ms. Sullivan means by it here only a state in which religion has no role in government policy or public life.  If one treats this as the only plausible definition of &#039;secular,&#039; then the term will of course fail to describe any modern presidential administration.

Ms. Sullivan also makes a significant mistake when she says that &quot;Understanding Americans to be fundamentally religious is now deeply embedded in government and in our public culture,&quot; and that this is inherently contrary to secularism.  Since secularism does not entail a denial of the fact that some people are religious, her claim is clearly false.

Finally, her distinction between a &quot;faith-based&quot; nation and a secular one trades on a popular elision of the inherent and intractable differences among competing theologies.  (The faith which illuminates the the conservative Muslim&#039;s view of the nation will provide a markedly different picture from that provided by the liberal Baptist&#039;s.)  This elision of course is a consequence of the prevailing, secularist assumption that it is wrong, at the level of government, to privilege the members of one religious group over those of others based &lt;i&gt;solely&lt;/i&gt; upon religious considerations.  If Ms. Sullivan wishes to demonstrate that America and its citizens are not secular in this sense, further evidence is required.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to see a reference to someone stating seriously the claim and corollary that Ms. Sullivan mentions in the first paragraph.  While &#8216;secular&#8217; is a multiply ambiguous term, Ms. Sullivan means by it here only a state in which religion has no role in government policy or public life.  If one treats this as the only plausible definition of &#8216;secular,&#8217; then the term will of course fail to describe any modern presidential administration.</p>
<p>Ms. Sullivan also makes a significant mistake when she says that &#8220;Understanding Americans to be fundamentally religious is now deeply embedded in government and in our public culture,&#8221; and that this is inherently contrary to secularism.  Since secularism does not entail a denial of the fact that some people are religious, her claim is clearly false.</p>
<p>Finally, her distinction between a &#8220;faith-based&#8221; nation and a secular one trades on a popular elision of the inherent and intractable differences among competing theologies.  (The faith which illuminates the the conservative Muslim&#8217;s view of the nation will provide a markedly different picture from that provided by the liberal Baptist&#8217;s.)  This elision of course is a consequence of the prevailing, secularist assumption that it is wrong, at the level of government, to privilege the members of one religious group over those of others based <i>solely</i> upon religious considerations.  If Ms. Sullivan wishes to demonstrate that America and its citizens are not secular in this sense, further evidence is required.</p>
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