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		<title>By: Jonathan VanAntwerpen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2008/11/07/the-magic-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-4949</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan VanAntwerpen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In a post at &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://scatter.wordpress.com/2008/11/11/the-hollow-state-economism-and-the-evacuation-of-the-public/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;scatterplot&lt;/a&gt;, Andrew Perrin responds at length to Arjun Appadurai&#039;s &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ssrc.org/blogs/immanent_frame/2008/11/07/the-magic-ballot/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The magic ballot&lt;/a&gt;,&quot; and to Jason Kuznicki&#039;s critical response to Appadurai, in which he &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/11/07/pay-no-attention-to-the-man-behind-the-curtain/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;suggests&lt;/a&gt; that &quot;Barack Obama is an &lt;em&gt;employee&lt;/em&gt;&quot;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Note the constriction of the social, the transcendent, into the workaday (profane, routine, alltäglich) language of hiring an employee, which is certainly not all we did. Perhaps more importantly, note the elision in which Appadurai’s invocation of the magic of the election becomes, in the hands of the libertarian thinker (I use the word advisedly) a claim about the magic of the person. That’s because it is not only wrong but literally unthinkable in this paradigm that the collective imaginary might be anything more than the collection of individual imaginaries. If there’s magic, it follows, an individual person must be magical.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Perrin follows this with a reply to Kuznicki&#039;s subsequent &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/11/10/obamas-touch-cured-me-of-scrofula/&quot; target=&quot;_self&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;suggestion&lt;/a&gt; that &quot;for at least a few liberals, when their guy wins, &#039;reason&#039; is out the window, and &#039;magic&#039; is what it’s all about&quot;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Not that this position is &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://scatter.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/religion-and-science/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;unique&lt;/a&gt;, but it’s hopelessly outdated and frankly &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.soc.34.040507.134702&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;empirically indefensible&lt;/a&gt; to hold religion and reason to be at odds, or even in a zero-sum competition. But committing this error allows the author to ignore the complexity of the analysis and revert to comfortable, individualistic, and disingenuous claims, entirely without evidence, that the analysis is driven by crass partisanship.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
There&#039;s more. Read Andrew Perrin&#039;s full post &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://scatter.wordpress.com/2008/11/11/the-hollow-state-economism-and-the-evacuation-of-the-public/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a post at <a rel="nofollow" href="http://scatter.wordpress.com/2008/11/11/the-hollow-state-economism-and-the-evacuation-of-the-public/" rel="nofollow">scatterplot</a>, Andrew Perrin responds at length to Arjun Appadurai&#8217;s &#8220;<a href="http://www.ssrc.org/blogs/immanent_frame/2008/11/07/the-magic-ballot/" rel="nofollow">The magic ballot</a>,&#8221; and to Jason Kuznicki&#8217;s critical response to Appadurai, in which he <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/11/07/pay-no-attention-to-the-man-behind-the-curtain/" rel="nofollow">suggests</a> that &#8220;Barack Obama is an <em>employee</em>&#8220;:</p>
<blockquote><p>Note the constriction of the social, the transcendent, into the workaday (profane, routine, alltäglich) language of hiring an employee, which is certainly not all we did. Perhaps more importantly, note the elision in which Appadurai’s invocation of the magic of the election becomes, in the hands of the libertarian thinker (I use the word advisedly) a claim about the magic of the person. That’s because it is not only wrong but literally unthinkable in this paradigm that the collective imaginary might be anything more than the collection of individual imaginaries. If there’s magic, it follows, an individual person must be magical.</p></blockquote>
<p>Perrin follows this with a reply to Kuznicki&#8217;s subsequent <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/11/10/obamas-touch-cured-me-of-scrofula/" target="_self" rel="nofollow">suggestion</a> that &#8220;for at least a few liberals, when their guy wins, &#8216;reason&#8217; is out the window, and &#8216;magic&#8217; is what it’s all about&#8221;:</p>
<blockquote><p>Not that this position is <a rel="nofollow" href="http://scatter.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/religion-and-science/" rel="nofollow">unique</a>, but it’s hopelessly outdated and frankly <a rel="nofollow" href="http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.soc.34.040507.134702" rel="nofollow">empirically indefensible</a> to hold religion and reason to be at odds, or even in a zero-sum competition. But committing this error allows the author to ignore the complexity of the analysis and revert to comfortable, individualistic, and disingenuous claims, entirely without evidence, that the analysis is driven by crass partisanship.</p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s more. Read Andrew Perrin&#8217;s full post <a rel="nofollow" href="http://scatter.wordpress.com/2008/11/11/the-hollow-state-economism-and-the-evacuation-of-the-public/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Duane</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2008/11/07/the-magic-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-4944</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Duane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jason Kuznicki of Cato@Liberty &lt;a href=http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/11/10/obamas-touch-cured-me-of-scrofula/ rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;continues the conversation&lt;/a&gt; with Arjun Appadurai, responding to his comments:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Calling acts of government “magic” gives our political leaders way more credit than they deserve. Our leaders may be intelligent, or charismatic, or honest, or judicious. But even the best of them are not magic. To tell the truth, I hadn’t thought this a controversial idea.

... It’s a bit silly to think that because I won’t call Barack Obama “magic,” I must have some deep-seated problem with 80% of the American electorate. I’d think, rather, that Christians would be on my side: Obama is a man and a sinner like any other, and all magic — excuse me, all glory — belongs to God.

In fact, the only thing I object to here is magical or mystical thinking about the government. The government has to serve people of all religious faiths, and of none. It can’t play favorites, and it can’t be some strange mysticism unto itself. If it were, it would alienate much of the public, and make tyrants of the rest. That’s what I object to.

A government of, by, and for the people is a huge advance over the divine rule of kings, kings who in former ages claimed that they really were magical, and whose touch was said to cure scrofula. Our leaders are human like the rest of us, and they should be open to our criticism, just like the guy at Kinko’s if he ruins our copies. That’s the genius of America: having a government we’re not afraid to criticize.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Read Kuznicki&#039;s full post &lt;a href=http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/11/10/obamas-touch-cured-me-of-scrofula/ rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason Kuznicki of Cato@Liberty <a href=http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/11/10/obamas-touch-cured-me-of-scrofula/ rel="nofollow">continues the conversation</a> with Arjun Appadurai, responding to his comments:</p>
<blockquote><p>Calling acts of government “magic” gives our political leaders way more credit than they deserve. Our leaders may be intelligent, or charismatic, or honest, or judicious. But even the best of them are not magic. To tell the truth, I hadn’t thought this a controversial idea.</p>
<p>&#8230; It’s a bit silly to think that because I won’t call Barack Obama “magic,” I must have some deep-seated problem with 80% of the American electorate. I’d think, rather, that Christians would be on my side: Obama is a man and a sinner like any other, and all magic — excuse me, all glory — belongs to God.</p>
<p>In fact, the only thing I object to here is magical or mystical thinking about the government. The government has to serve people of all religious faiths, and of none. It can’t play favorites, and it can’t be some strange mysticism unto itself. If it were, it would alienate much of the public, and make tyrants of the rest. That’s what I object to.</p>
<p>A government of, by, and for the people is a huge advance over the divine rule of kings, kings who in former ages claimed that they really were magical, and whose touch was said to cure scrofula. Our leaders are human like the rest of us, and they should be open to our criticism, just like the guy at Kinko’s if he ruins our copies. That’s the genius of America: having a government we’re not afraid to criticize.</p></blockquote>
<p>Read Kuznicki&#8217;s full post <a href=http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/11/10/obamas-touch-cured-me-of-scrofula/ rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Josiah Rowe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2008/11/07/the-magic-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-4939</link>
		<dc:creator>Josiah Rowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This essay is fascinating.  As a Kantian I appreciate the acknowledgement of the numinous, both as an expression of practical human modesty (even if all things have causes, we can&#039;t, as a practical matter, account for them all) and as a religious statement (if reason has intrinsic limits, then there is room for transcendent ideas).  And as an American who voted for Barack Obama I certainly experienced the hard-to-pin-down quality towards which both David Gregory and Arjun Appadurai are gesturing, calling it &quot;transcendent&quot; or &quot;magic&quot;.  However, I am cautious about identifying this quality with the power of the numinous, for a couple of reasons.  On a philosophical level, I&#039;m reluctant to say anything positive or definitive about that which by its nature is undefinable or unspeakable (compare the &quot;Fourfold Negation&quot; of Buddhist thought).  And on a political level, I recognize the power of this mysterious quality and know that this power can be used for good or ill.  In my judgment, Barack Obama is most likely to use the power of this &quot;magic&quot; for good (otherwise I wouldn&#039;t have voted for him); but there have also been times in history when leaders have been invested with similar power and used it for great evil.

Perhaps my second objection isn&#039;t philosophically sound.  After all, if we define &quot;magic&quot; as Appadurai does, as a tool for risk management, there&#039;s no reason to assume that the tool can be used solely for moral purposes.  (This line of thought could lead one to talk about &quot;white magic&quot; and &quot;black magic&quot;, but those terms would get far too confusing in the context of Barack Obama.)

Two final questions: how would you relate this concept of &quot;magic&quot; in the national and political sphere to civic religion?  Is it appropriate to say that in the context of American civic religion, the election of Barack Obama (not Obama himself, but his election and the &quot;magic&quot; quality surrounding it) is a kind of theophany?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This essay is fascinating.  As a Kantian I appreciate the acknowledgement of the numinous, both as an expression of practical human modesty (even if all things have causes, we can&#8217;t, as a practical matter, account for them all) and as a religious statement (if reason has intrinsic limits, then there is room for transcendent ideas).  And as an American who voted for Barack Obama I certainly experienced the hard-to-pin-down quality towards which both David Gregory and Arjun Appadurai are gesturing, calling it &#8220;transcendent&#8221; or &#8220;magic&#8221;.  However, I am cautious about identifying this quality with the power of the numinous, for a couple of reasons.  On a philosophical level, I&#8217;m reluctant to say anything positive or definitive about that which by its nature is undefinable or unspeakable (compare the &#8220;Fourfold Negation&#8221; of Buddhist thought).  And on a political level, I recognize the power of this mysterious quality and know that this power can be used for good or ill.  In my judgment, Barack Obama is most likely to use the power of this &#8220;magic&#8221; for good (otherwise I wouldn&#8217;t have voted for him); but there have also been times in history when leaders have been invested with similar power and used it for great evil.</p>
<p>Perhaps my second objection isn&#8217;t philosophically sound.  After all, if we define &#8220;magic&#8221; as Appadurai does, as a tool for risk management, there&#8217;s no reason to assume that the tool can be used solely for moral purposes.  (This line of thought could lead one to talk about &#8220;white magic&#8221; and &#8220;black magic&#8221;, but those terms would get far too confusing in the context of Barack Obama.)</p>
<p>Two final questions: how would you relate this concept of &#8220;magic&#8221; in the national and political sphere to civic religion?  Is it appropriate to say that in the context of American civic religion, the election of Barack Obama (not Obama himself, but his election and the &#8220;magic&#8221; quality surrounding it) is a kind of theophany?</p>
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		<title>By: Arjun Appadurai</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2008/11/07/the-magic-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-4923</link>
		<dc:creator>Arjun Appadurai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I assume Mr. Kuznicki is sympathetic to the mission of the Cato Institute, whose name can be traced back to Cato the Younger, implacable foe of Julius Caesar. Alas, he sounds a lot more like Cato the Elder, also known as Cato the Censor, famed for his rigid moralizing, his ascetical approach to public spending, and his brutal approach to war against the enemies of Rome. 

Mr. Kuznicki is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/11/07/pay-no-attention-to-the-man-behind-the-curtain/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;keen to remind me&lt;/a&gt; that the United States is a Lockean republic, that Barack Obama is not a priest or magician, that the Presidency is just a job (presumably like employment at Kinko’s) and that Obama was elected and not crowned. Well, where do I begin? I do know these facts. My essay was an interpretation of what seemed to us (not to Mr. Obama) so special about this election. My comment is primarily about the distinctions between magic and religion in the history of Western social thought since the seventeenth century: alas, these are two sides of the same coin for  Mr. Kuznicki (priests and magicians, lightning bolts and toads, theocracies and magic wands). Well, this is a picture based on Harry Potter and not on Max Weber and Emile Durkheim, thinkers who had the gumption to look at the entire history of human efforts to deal with evil, injustice, uncertainty and disaster with a modicum of empirical interest and intellectual sympathy.

Mr. Kuznicki is the kind of “secular” libertarian to whom the entire world of non-secular feelings, sensations, experiences and actions makes no sense, indeed it makes him sick. Well, in that case, 90% of humanity makes him sick, and perhaps 80% of the American electorate, including those who believe in faith-based philanthropy, religious calls to dialogue between faiths, and I assume the entire family of words from grace and charisma to hope and redemption also makes him sick. I am afraid there is no easy cure for this ailment.

As an anthropologist, I am interested in those situations in which words defeat us, when events make us feel we are in the presence of special people or events, when either suffering or sudden change make us wonder about what makes the world tick. Mr. Kuznicki knows the answers already and is sure that what makes the world go around are: “reason, hard work, rectitude, compassion, courage, and thrift.” I assume that when things go wrong, it is due to a deficit of these things. Well, there’s his answer to global warming, the biggest financial meltdown in the world’s wealthiest economy, military failure in Iraq and Afghanistan for the world’s most sophisticated army, not to speak of Avian flu, sudden infant death and Katrina. 

Since I wrote my original comment, Barack Obama has made it amply clear that he understands quite well the scope of the problems we face, the sobriety that our challenges demand, the calm, deliberative style that the world expects and that our skittish markets need. So he is not stirring some new age pot with a nearby coven of liberal witches. But that does not mean that history has no surprises and that our anaemic secular vocabularies are entirely adequate to either the miracles or the disasters which we see around us.  The best kind of rationality is the rationality that knows when it’s running on empty. Unless Mr. Kuznicki has already discovered the 100% air-fueled brain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume Mr. Kuznicki is sympathetic to the mission of the Cato Institute, whose name can be traced back to Cato the Younger, implacable foe of Julius Caesar. Alas, he sounds a lot more like Cato the Elder, also known as Cato the Censor, famed for his rigid moralizing, his ascetical approach to public spending, and his brutal approach to war against the enemies of Rome. </p>
<p>Mr. Kuznicki is <a href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/11/07/pay-no-attention-to-the-man-behind-the-curtain/" rel="nofollow">keen to remind me</a> that the United States is a Lockean republic, that Barack Obama is not a priest or magician, that the Presidency is just a job (presumably like employment at Kinko’s) and that Obama was elected and not crowned. Well, where do I begin? I do know these facts. My essay was an interpretation of what seemed to us (not to Mr. Obama) so special about this election. My comment is primarily about the distinctions between magic and religion in the history of Western social thought since the seventeenth century: alas, these are two sides of the same coin for  Mr. Kuznicki (priests and magicians, lightning bolts and toads, theocracies and magic wands). Well, this is a picture based on Harry Potter and not on Max Weber and Emile Durkheim, thinkers who had the gumption to look at the entire history of human efforts to deal with evil, injustice, uncertainty and disaster with a modicum of empirical interest and intellectual sympathy.</p>
<p>Mr. Kuznicki is the kind of “secular” libertarian to whom the entire world of non-secular feelings, sensations, experiences and actions makes no sense, indeed it makes him sick. Well, in that case, 90% of humanity makes him sick, and perhaps 80% of the American electorate, including those who believe in faith-based philanthropy, religious calls to dialogue between faiths, and I assume the entire family of words from grace and charisma to hope and redemption also makes him sick. I am afraid there is no easy cure for this ailment.</p>
<p>As an anthropologist, I am interested in those situations in which words defeat us, when events make us feel we are in the presence of special people or events, when either suffering or sudden change make us wonder about what makes the world tick. Mr. Kuznicki knows the answers already and is sure that what makes the world go around are: “reason, hard work, rectitude, compassion, courage, and thrift.” I assume that when things go wrong, it is due to a deficit of these things. Well, there’s his answer to global warming, the biggest financial meltdown in the world’s wealthiest economy, military failure in Iraq and Afghanistan for the world’s most sophisticated army, not to speak of Avian flu, sudden infant death and Katrina. </p>
<p>Since I wrote my original comment, Barack Obama has made it amply clear that he understands quite well the scope of the problems we face, the sobriety that our challenges demand, the calm, deliberative style that the world expects and that our skittish markets need. So he is not stirring some new age pot with a nearby coven of liberal witches. But that does not mean that history has no surprises and that our anaemic secular vocabularies are entirely adequate to either the miracles or the disasters which we see around us.  The best kind of rationality is the rationality that knows when it’s running on empty. Unless Mr. Kuznicki has already discovered the 100% air-fueled brain.</p>
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		<title>By: Arjun Appadurai</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2008/11/07/the-magic-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-4922</link>
		<dc:creator>Arjun Appadurai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I appreciate these responses. 

Ainslee, its good hear from you and I am glad you find these thoughts worthy of use in the classroom! 

Scott Dill is right: I did not go back to this great novel: in fact, there are even more questions about Dostoyevsky&#039;s actual position, which is probably not identical with the one of Zossima or the Grand Inquisitor, but let the Dostoyevsky experts sort that one out. 

The debate between the Pfeiffers (father and son) seems to have merit of creative intra-familial debate so I will leave it alone for now! 

With Lynn Brooks, yes, that&#039;s right and that&#039;s what I meant when I said magical was still credible: credible enough for someone to be hanged for it. I did not mean to equate &quot;credible&quot; and &quot;approved&quot;.

Jason Kuznicki deserves a fuller response since he clearly disapproves of my views, insofar as he understands them correctly! I will do that in my next comment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate these responses. </p>
<p>Ainslee, its good hear from you and I am glad you find these thoughts worthy of use in the classroom! </p>
<p>Scott Dill is right: I did not go back to this great novel: in fact, there are even more questions about Dostoyevsky&#8217;s actual position, which is probably not identical with the one of Zossima or the Grand Inquisitor, but let the Dostoyevsky experts sort that one out. </p>
<p>The debate between the Pfeiffers (father and son) seems to have merit of creative intra-familial debate so I will leave it alone for now! </p>
<p>With Lynn Brooks, yes, that&#8217;s right and that&#8217;s what I meant when I said magical was still credible: credible enough for someone to be hanged for it. I did not mean to equate &#8220;credible&#8221; and &#8220;approved&#8221;.</p>
<p>Jason Kuznicki deserves a fuller response since he clearly disapproves of my views, insofar as he understands them correctly! I will do that in my next comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn J. Brooks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn J. Brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“The burning of the witches of Salem in the late seventeenth century surely marked the moment when magic was still credible but already unacceptable.” Sorry, I thought they were hanged?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The burning of the witches of Salem in the late seventeenth century surely marked the moment when magic was still credible but already unacceptable.” Sorry, I thought they were hanged?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Pfeiffer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2008/11/07/the-magic-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-4913</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Pfeiffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 09:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would like to ask for clarification of the function of the word &quot;academic&quot; in my father&#039;s comment from 1:12 a.m. this morning. What did you mean, Dad? I fear that your comment serves as an implicit attack on Mr. Appadurai&#039;s profession and writing style. This bothers me, because I can hardly express the extent of my gratitude to Mr. Appadurai for making his thinking so accessible as it is here on the blog.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to ask for clarification of the function of the word &#8220;academic&#8221; in my father&#8217;s comment from 1:12 a.m. this morning. What did you mean, Dad? I fear that your comment serves as an implicit attack on Mr. Appadurai&#8217;s profession and writing style. This bothers me, because I can hardly express the extent of my gratitude to Mr. Appadurai for making his thinking so accessible as it is here on the blog.</p>
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		<title>By: John Pfeiffer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2008/11/07/the-magic-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-4912</link>
		<dc:creator>John Pfeiffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 06:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a stretch of the &#039;imagicnation&#039;! 

No search of the language, even if carried out under infinitely stretchy academic cloaks, can describe the iconic U.S. election of November 4, 2008.  Many may take refuge in cliches,  but the event can best remain a vessel in which each us  finds our own refreshment.  It is true that &quot;the heart has its reasons that the reason knows not of&quot;.  Language must be reasonable, if it hopes to communicate.  We could call anything magic, but the baggage that comes with a term whose time has passed stands in the way of cogency, and contributes nothing to descriptions, especially of iconic events.  

Thanks for cooking up your descriptive offering, but it is a struggle to imagine, much less follow, the magic recipe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a stretch of the &#8216;imagicnation&#8217;! </p>
<p>No search of the language, even if carried out under infinitely stretchy academic cloaks, can describe the iconic U.S. election of November 4, 2008.  Many may take refuge in cliches,  but the event can best remain a vessel in which each us  finds our own refreshment.  It is true that &#8220;the heart has its reasons that the reason knows not of&#8221;.  Language must be reasonable, if it hopes to communicate.  We could call anything magic, but the baggage that comes with a term whose time has passed stands in the way of cogency, and contributes nothing to descriptions, especially of iconic events.  </p>
<p>Thanks for cooking up your descriptive offering, but it is a struggle to imagine, much less follow, the magic recipe.</p>
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		<title>By: Ainslie Embree</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2008/11/07/the-magic-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-4906</link>
		<dc:creator>Ainslie Embree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 01:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is splendid - it should be required reading for graduate students, not to mention clergymen and politicians.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is splendid &#8211; it should be required reading for graduate students, not to mention clergymen and politicians.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Spencer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2008/11/07/the-magic-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-4902</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for this sensitive post. Many Americans feel this same &quot;magic&quot; at the mention of the &quot;founding fathers&quot; or Abraham Lincoln, and I think it is significant that various commentators have spoken of Obama&#039;s election to the White House as the fulfillment of the the founding fathers&#039; democratic vision. Perhaps mythical time (Eliade&#039;s illo tempore, in this case the founding of the American nation) has broken into secular time, which doesn&#039;t happen every day. There are so few &quot;transcendent&quot; myths we all identify with anymore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this sensitive post. Many Americans feel this same &#8220;magic&#8221; at the mention of the &#8220;founding fathers&#8221; or Abraham Lincoln, and I think it is significant that various commentators have spoken of Obama&#8217;s election to the White House as the fulfillment of the the founding fathers&#8217; democratic vision. Perhaps mythical time (Eliade&#8217;s illo tempore, in this case the founding of the American nation) has broken into secular time, which doesn&#8217;t happen every day. There are so few &#8220;transcendent&#8221; myths we all identify with anymore.</p>
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