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		<title>By: Chris Eberle</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2008/01/16/beating-radical-islam/comment-page-1/#comment-504</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Eberle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Professor Bellah says that “you can contain terrorism by police action, but you can’t defeat it by military action.”  Later, he claims that ‘the surge’ is not a military action, but a police action—though one he doubts will be very effective, it’s the sort that he takes to be most effective against terrorism.  This dichotomy between police and military action is one that the US military has long since rejected.  For example, about 15 years ago, the Marines developed the ‘doctrine’ of the 3 block war: in order to win the military conflicts in which the US is most likely to engage after the demise of the Soviet Union, American Marines must be prepared to engage in traditional military actions (firefights, targeted bombs from helicopters, etc.) on one block, perform traditional police-type duties (deterring and arresting criminals, etc.) on a second block, and engaging in humanitarian work on a third.  All by the same unit, all on the same day, all in the interests of winning some particular war.  As I understand them, the Marines think of all of these kinds of actions as what’s required of them if they are to impose their will on their enemy and so win the military conflict in which they happen to be engaged.  Professor Bellah’s conception of what the military is, what it does, what it has trained for any number of years now (long before 9/11) does not fit the reality.

The requirements of contemporary (counter-insurgency) warfare also render suspect Professor Bellah’s admonition that we refrain from using language like radical Islam – which is supposed to tar all Muslims with the terrorist brush no matter how often it’s stated that not all Muslims are terrorists.  In order to wage war against the very particular people who are now intentionally attacking innocents on a regular basis in Iraq, you need to know who they are and what they believe.  Knowing what they believe will help to determine when they will attack, how they will and will not do so.  In order to acquire that knowledge, you have to be trained and informed about their motivating ideology.  If, as is in fact the case, suicide terrorists in Iraq are motivated by their understanding of Islam, then you have to know something about Islam in general and about the particular intepretations of Islam affirmed by those suicide terrorists.  Given that, as a matter of fact, most of those who blow up bombs in crowded markets in Iraq are motivated by their understanding of Islam, then what are we to call them?  What’s better than ‘radical Islamists’ – identifying the normative commitments that the suicide terrorists themselves affirm (Islam) but distinguishing them from most Muslims (by calling them radicals).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professor Bellah says that “you can contain terrorism by police action, but you can’t defeat it by military action.”  Later, he claims that ‘the surge’ is not a military action, but a police action—though one he doubts will be very effective, it’s the sort that he takes to be most effective against terrorism.  This dichotomy between police and military action is one that the US military has long since rejected.  For example, about 15 years ago, the Marines developed the ‘doctrine’ of the 3 block war: in order to win the military conflicts in which the US is most likely to engage after the demise of the Soviet Union, American Marines must be prepared to engage in traditional military actions (firefights, targeted bombs from helicopters, etc.) on one block, perform traditional police-type duties (deterring and arresting criminals, etc.) on a second block, and engaging in humanitarian work on a third.  All by the same unit, all on the same day, all in the interests of winning some particular war.  As I understand them, the Marines think of all of these kinds of actions as what’s required of them if they are to impose their will on their enemy and so win the military conflict in which they happen to be engaged.  Professor Bellah’s conception of what the military is, what it does, what it has trained for any number of years now (long before 9/11) does not fit the reality.</p>
<p>The requirements of contemporary (counter-insurgency) warfare also render suspect Professor Bellah’s admonition that we refrain from using language like radical Islam – which is supposed to tar all Muslims with the terrorist brush no matter how often it’s stated that not all Muslims are terrorists.  In order to wage war against the very particular people who are now intentionally attacking innocents on a regular basis in Iraq, you need to know who they are and what they believe.  Knowing what they believe will help to determine when they will attack, how they will and will not do so.  In order to acquire that knowledge, you have to be trained and informed about their motivating ideology.  If, as is in fact the case, suicide terrorists in Iraq are motivated by their understanding of Islam, then you have to know something about Islam in general and about the particular intepretations of Islam affirmed by those suicide terrorists.  Given that, as a matter of fact, most of those who blow up bombs in crowded markets in Iraq are motivated by their understanding of Islam, then what are we to call them?  What’s better than ‘radical Islamists’ – identifying the normative commitments that the suicide terrorists themselves affirm (Islam) but distinguishing them from most Muslims (by calling them radicals).</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Bellah</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2008/01/16/beating-radical-islam/comment-page-1/#comment-501</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Bellah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m interested to see that &lt;em&gt;The Issue&lt;/em&gt; put my piece alongside a vitriolic screed on Islamophobia, a term which describes it well. And the same goes for Orianna Fallaci, the “long avowed atheist” who forged a friendship with the Bishop.  I am always bemused when atheists defend Christian Civilization, which they seem to think is so weak it needs their propping up in the face of the Islamic menace. I am charmed that the Islamophobic screed appears on the weblog of the Center for the Advancement of Capitalism.  Apparently Islam is a threat to capitalism as well as to Christianity.

For another side of Islam, look at the web site of &lt;a href=&quot;http://acommonword.com/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Common Word&lt;/a&gt;. Here you’ll find a statement about the relations between Islam and Christianity that expresses love and unity, and is signed by distinguished Muslim leaders all over the world.  I found it in an article in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.commonwealmagazine.org/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Commonweal&lt;/a&gt;, the liberal Catholic magazine.  There is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.yale.edu/faith/abou-commonword.htm&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a Christian response&lt;/a&gt;, signed by a large number of distinguished people. The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.yale.edu/faith/index.htm&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Yale Center for Faith and Culture&lt;/a&gt; took the initiative in this response.

There is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.commonwealmagazine.org/article.php3?id_article=2101&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;another article&lt;/a&gt; in my latest issue of Commonweal on the degree to which the church and leading clerical and intellectual Catholic leaders embraced anti-Semitism in Germany in the 1930s.  Their rhetoric about the “Jewish threat” and their apparent conviction of its reality is reflected exactly in Edward Cline&#039;s rhetoric, reinforcing my feeling that Islamophobia is today’s anti-Semitism, with the same conviction of certainty of the crimes of the hated ones, and the same great fear of the “threat” posed by them.  I know that anti-Semitism is not dead and that it is virulent in Europe today, stoked in part by Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians, but not excused by that. And anti-Semitism, not just opposition to Israel’s policy, can also be found in the Muslim world, which is equally inexcusable.  (And if you want to see evidence that these problems are worldwide, consider the violence against Christians in parts of India, with churches burned and Christians murdered.  Alas.  But it is not Muslims---but some Hindus---who are doing it.)

I would sum up the analogy between anti-Semitism and Islamophobia this way:  Criticism of some oppressive acts of the state of Israel toward the Palestinians must never be generalized into anti-Semitism; similarly, criticism of some violent acts of some Muslims must never be generalized into hostility toward Islam as a religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m interested to see that <em>The Issue</em> put my piece alongside a vitriolic screed on Islamophobia, a term which describes it well. And the same goes for Orianna Fallaci, the “long avowed atheist” who forged a friendship with the Bishop.  I am always bemused when atheists defend Christian Civilization, which they seem to think is so weak it needs their propping up in the face of the Islamic menace. I am charmed that the Islamophobic screed appears on the weblog of the Center for the Advancement of Capitalism.  Apparently Islam is a threat to capitalism as well as to Christianity.</p>
<p>For another side of Islam, look at the web site of <a href="http://acommonword.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">A Common Word</a>. Here you’ll find a statement about the relations between Islam and Christianity that expresses love and unity, and is signed by distinguished Muslim leaders all over the world.  I found it in an article in <a href="http://www.commonwealmagazine.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Commonweal</a>, the liberal Catholic magazine.  There is <a href="http://www.yale.edu/faith/abou-commonword.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">a Christian response</a>, signed by a large number of distinguished people. The <a href="http://www.yale.edu/faith/index.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Yale Center for Faith and Culture</a> took the initiative in this response.</p>
<p>There is <a href="http://www.commonwealmagazine.org/article.php3?id_article=2101" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">another article</a> in my latest issue of Commonweal on the degree to which the church and leading clerical and intellectual Catholic leaders embraced anti-Semitism in Germany in the 1930s.  Their rhetoric about the “Jewish threat” and their apparent conviction of its reality is reflected exactly in Edward Cline&#8217;s rhetoric, reinforcing my feeling that Islamophobia is today’s anti-Semitism, with the same conviction of certainty of the crimes of the hated ones, and the same great fear of the “threat” posed by them.  I know that anti-Semitism is not dead and that it is virulent in Europe today, stoked in part by Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians, but not excused by that. And anti-Semitism, not just opposition to Israel’s policy, can also be found in the Muslim world, which is equally inexcusable.  (And if you want to see evidence that these problems are worldwide, consider the violence against Christians in parts of India, with churches burned and Christians murdered.  Alas.  But it is not Muslims&#8212;but some Hindus&#8212;who are doing it.)</p>
<p>I would sum up the analogy between anti-Semitism and Islamophobia this way:  Criticism of some oppressive acts of the state of Israel toward the Palestinians must never be generalized into anti-Semitism; similarly, criticism of some violent acts of some Muslims must never be generalized into hostility toward Islam as a religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth Braunstein</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2008/01/16/beating-radical-islam/comment-page-1/#comment-500</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruth Braunstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The editorial team at &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://theissue.com/&quot; title=&quot;The Issue&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Issue &lt;/a&gt;has declared &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://theissue.com/issue/9124.html&quot; title=&quot;Issue of the Day&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;today’s Issue of the Day &lt;/a&gt;“Islamophobia,” providing the following brief genealogy of the now-pervasive term:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The term, which first appeared in the 1980&#039;s but didn&#039;t enter discourse until after September 11th, describes an irrational fear of Islam. Islamophobia has become a controversial term that, for the left, symbolizes a dangerous overreaction to a minority of Muslims. But for the right, the word Islamophobia undermines a justified skepticism of religious motivations and marginalizes a cultural clash that may define our time.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
As is their custom, they probed the blogosphere for the most lively and engaging discussions of the issue and selected Robert Bellah’s post to represent the “Liberal” perspective, writing that “Bellah examines the ways in which terms like &quot;Isalmophobia&quot; and &quot;war on terror&quot; oversimplify the foreign policy challenges facing the United States.”

Bellah’s post is contrasted with &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://theissue.com/inreader.php?inreaderpage=issueinreader&amp;page=ruleofreason.blogspot.com/2007/09/islamophobia-is-justified.htm&amp;storyid=9125&quot; title=&quot;“Islamophobia” is Justified &quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a “Conservative” analysis &lt;/a&gt;that argues that the use of the term “Islamophobia” is justified and the sentiment is just as rational as “harboring a phobia for rattlesnakes, black widow spiders, or poisonous centipedes.” The author, Edward Cline, criticizes the overly submissive and politically correct Western press, whose “cowardice is artfully disguised by most publications under the cloak of multicultural ‘tolerance’ and ‘respect’ for a great religion” even while “Islam-friendly” journalists and so-called “experts” seem to ignore “Islam’s persecution and murder of Christians, Jews, and other religious faithful around the world.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The editorial team at <a target="_blank" href="http://theissue.com/" title="The Issue" rel="nofollow">The Issue </a>has declared <a target="_blank" href="http://theissue.com/issue/9124.html" title="Issue of the Day" rel="nofollow">today’s Issue of the Day </a>“Islamophobia,” providing the following brief genealogy of the now-pervasive term:</p>
<blockquote><p>The term, which first appeared in the 1980&#8217;s but didn&#8217;t enter discourse until after September 11th, describes an irrational fear of Islam. Islamophobia has become a controversial term that, for the left, symbolizes a dangerous overreaction to a minority of Muslims. But for the right, the word Islamophobia undermines a justified skepticism of religious motivations and marginalizes a cultural clash that may define our time.</p></blockquote>
<p>As is their custom, they probed the blogosphere for the most lively and engaging discussions of the issue and selected Robert Bellah’s post to represent the “Liberal” perspective, writing that “Bellah examines the ways in which terms like &#8220;Isalmophobia&#8221; and &#8220;war on terror&#8221; oversimplify the foreign policy challenges facing the United States.”</p>
<p>Bellah’s post is contrasted with <a target="_blank" href="http://theissue.com/inreader.php?inreaderpage=issueinreader&amp;page=ruleofreason.blogspot.com/2007/09/islamophobia-is-justified.htm&amp;storyid=9125" title="“Islamophobia” is Justified " rel="nofollow">a “Conservative” analysis </a>that argues that the use of the term “Islamophobia” is justified and the sentiment is just as rational as “harboring a phobia for rattlesnakes, black widow spiders, or poisonous centipedes.” The author, Edward Cline, criticizes the overly submissive and politically correct Western press, whose “cowardice is artfully disguised by most publications under the cloak of multicultural ‘tolerance’ and ‘respect’ for a great religion” even while “Islam-friendly” journalists and so-called “experts” seem to ignore “Islam’s persecution and murder of Christians, Jews, and other religious faithful around the world.”</p>
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		<title>By: Phillipe Copeland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillipe Copeland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the response to my response. So often it is in the give and take that we have a better understanding of each other&#039;s viewpoints. I believe now that I understand you as arguing for clarity of the terms that we use to describe what we are doing in the world as nation and why. If this is the case, I completely agree with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the response to my response. So often it is in the give and take that we have a better understanding of each other&#8217;s viewpoints. I believe now that I understand you as arguing for clarity of the terms that we use to describe what we are doing in the world as nation and why. If this is the case, I completely agree with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Bellah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Bellah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the responses to my comment on Senator Graham&#039;s remark.  I have only a couple of thoughts about the comments of Copeland and Ledewitz.  As to the appropriateness of the term &quot;radical Islam&quot; on the analogy of &quot;black nationalists,&quot; I would say that the term &quot;radical Islam&quot; is problematically vague, but might be usable in a dispassionate academic discussion.  When it comes to using it as defining the enemy in a war (&quot;beating radical Islam&quot;) I find it completely unacceptable, as I would a war against &quot;black nationalists.&quot;  In the latter case as well as the former I would want to specify exactly what group we are at war with and not imply that we are at war with all blacks who ever had a nationalist thought.  As to the effectiveness of the surge, my point would be that the surge is not a war but a very large police action.  The &quot;Iraq War,&quot; after the first few weeks, ceased to be a war even in the sense that the Vietnam War was a war.  In Vietnam there were pitched battles, the Tet offensive, and extensive territory controlled by the Vietcong that we could not enter.  None of that is the case in Iraq.  To the extent that we use military means in the large scale police operation that the surge in fact is, such as bombing with inevitable serious &quot;collateral damage,&quot; it is counter productive as it only increases hate for us.  The US was prepared to fight a conventional war in Iraq but didn&#039;t realize the scale of the police action that had to follow.  It is not at all clear that the surge is doing more than making the terrorists lie low until it blows over.  In any case it may well be too little and too late.  Even if it works, Iraq is still a basket case, with much of its educated middle class gone from the country and the political divisions such that civil war could still break out at any time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the responses to my comment on Senator Graham&#8217;s remark.  I have only a couple of thoughts about the comments of Copeland and Ledewitz.  As to the appropriateness of the term &#8220;radical Islam&#8221; on the analogy of &#8220;black nationalists,&#8221; I would say that the term &#8220;radical Islam&#8221; is problematically vague, but might be usable in a dispassionate academic discussion.  When it comes to using it as defining the enemy in a war (&#8220;beating radical Islam&#8221;) I find it completely unacceptable, as I would a war against &#8220;black nationalists.&#8221;  In the latter case as well as the former I would want to specify exactly what group we are at war with and not imply that we are at war with all blacks who ever had a nationalist thought.  As to the effectiveness of the surge, my point would be that the surge is not a war but a very large police action.  The &#8220;Iraq War,&#8221; after the first few weeks, ceased to be a war even in the sense that the Vietnam War was a war.  In Vietnam there were pitched battles, the Tet offensive, and extensive territory controlled by the Vietcong that we could not enter.  None of that is the case in Iraq.  To the extent that we use military means in the large scale police operation that the surge in fact is, such as bombing with inevitable serious &#8220;collateral damage,&#8221; it is counter productive as it only increases hate for us.  The US was prepared to fight a conventional war in Iraq but didn&#8217;t realize the scale of the police action that had to follow.  It is not at all clear that the surge is doing more than making the terrorists lie low until it blows over.  In any case it may well be too little and too late.  Even if it works, Iraq is still a basket case, with much of its educated middle class gone from the country and the political divisions such that civil war could still break out at any time.</p>
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		<title>By: Azhar Aslam</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2008/01/16/beating-radical-islam/comment-page-1/#comment-443</link>
		<dc:creator>Azhar Aslam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was like a breath of fresh air to read Prof Bellah&#039;s views. Public discourse in the west about Islam and what it stands for, has been grossly mutilated by all shades of intellectuals from extreme right to the liberal atheists. The most annoying fact is that the overwhelming majority of such people have had very little direct interactions with the Muslims and the Muslim world and show breathtaking ignorance and naivete. Examples of such ignorants range from Sam Harris to Joerg Haider of Austria.

After arriving in the west some decades ago, it took me years to finally realise that I had come with huge misconceptions about the western people;  and that at the end of the day they were ordinary human beings with the same frailties and strengths as where I had come from. People in the west need to develop the same understanding and empathy about the Muslims. 

The fact is that Al-Qaeda and its real and spiritual offshoots are not interested in destroying the &#039;way of life&#039; in the west. This image has been created by deep seated vested interests, who continue to dominate and manipulate the public discourse. 

The ultimate reality is this. There is only one planet that is home to all of us: white or black, Christian or Muslim and rich or poor. In here lie all our hopes and all our future. We have to learn to share it for all of us. The real battle is not between the west and Islam or between civilizations or even between rich and poor. The real battle is for the survival of the planet and humanity and lines are drawn between those who want to share it all and those who want it all for themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was like a breath of fresh air to read Prof Bellah&#8217;s views. Public discourse in the west about Islam and what it stands for, has been grossly mutilated by all shades of intellectuals from extreme right to the liberal atheists. The most annoying fact is that the overwhelming majority of such people have had very little direct interactions with the Muslims and the Muslim world and show breathtaking ignorance and naivete. Examples of such ignorants range from Sam Harris to Joerg Haider of Austria.</p>
<p>After arriving in the west some decades ago, it took me years to finally realise that I had come with huge misconceptions about the western people;  and that at the end of the day they were ordinary human beings with the same frailties and strengths as where I had come from. People in the west need to develop the same understanding and empathy about the Muslims. </p>
<p>The fact is that Al-Qaeda and its real and spiritual offshoots are not interested in destroying the &#8216;way of life&#8217; in the west. This image has been created by deep seated vested interests, who continue to dominate and manipulate the public discourse. </p>
<p>The ultimate reality is this. There is only one planet that is home to all of us: white or black, Christian or Muslim and rich or poor. In here lie all our hopes and all our future. We have to learn to share it for all of us. The real battle is not between the west and Islam or between civilizations or even between rich and poor. The real battle is for the survival of the planet and humanity and lines are drawn between those who want to share it all and those who want it all for themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Ledewitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Ledewitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to agree with the sentiments posted by Professor Bellah.  I am no longer certrain, for two reasons.  First, the success of the surge in Iraq suggests that military pressure can be successful at short-run suppression of an insurgency.  (Perhaps that is different from the terrorism Bellah has in mind.)  That success is consistent with the experience of the British in counter-insurgency actions.  Second, some of the terrorists who wish to do the United States harm self-identify as acting on behalf of Islam.  To take them at their word is not necessarily to manifest hostility toward Islam.  (Though there is plenty of such hostility around.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to agree with the sentiments posted by Professor Bellah.  I am no longer certrain, for two reasons.  First, the success of the surge in Iraq suggests that military pressure can be successful at short-run suppression of an insurgency.  (Perhaps that is different from the terrorism Bellah has in mind.)  That success is consistent with the experience of the British in counter-insurgency actions.  Second, some of the terrorists who wish to do the United States harm self-identify as acting on behalf of Islam.  To take them at their word is not necessarily to manifest hostility toward Islam.  (Though there is plenty of such hostility around.)</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Fromherz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Fromherz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert Bellah has spelled out the essence of the problem: in-group solidarity---in this case, nationalistic Americanism---requiring &quot;a genuine Other.&quot;  It may be the very same pattern at work in the nativistic Americanism that fosters xenophobic attitudes regarding Spanish-speaking immigrants.  Something comparable may be at work with respect to China-bashing of late, we shall see.  My hope is that all of the candidates would have the opportunity to read---and ponder---Bellah&#039;s wise insights.

Meanwhile, the challenge he offers can be food for thought and action among all of us who strive for a worldview of compassion, respect and analytical clarity.  One extremely important point Bellah raises: the &quot;war on terror&quot; is rife with collective self-delusion.  I have great hope that our next White House voice shall be a person of global understanding---one who can transcend divisions and help us appreciate the great role religion can play in society and the world today, as always: to remind us that there is that which always transcends our human definition of &quot;the good society&quot; and &quot;good religion.&quot;  Such a person, in my view, may well have been schooled in the bridge between Kenya and Kansas.  He certainly has charisma and wishes to listen and learn from citizens here and citizens in nations elsewhere. I hope that Barack Obama has occasion to meet Robert Bellah. They share poignant habits of the heart.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Bellah has spelled out the essence of the problem: in-group solidarity&#8212;in this case, nationalistic Americanism&#8212;requiring &#8220;a genuine Other.&#8221;  It may be the very same pattern at work in the nativistic Americanism that fosters xenophobic attitudes regarding Spanish-speaking immigrants.  Something comparable may be at work with respect to China-bashing of late, we shall see.  My hope is that all of the candidates would have the opportunity to read&#8212;and ponder&#8212;Bellah&#8217;s wise insights.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the challenge he offers can be food for thought and action among all of us who strive for a worldview of compassion, respect and analytical clarity.  One extremely important point Bellah raises: the &#8220;war on terror&#8221; is rife with collective self-delusion.  I have great hope that our next White House voice shall be a person of global understanding&#8212;one who can transcend divisions and help us appreciate the great role religion can play in society and the world today, as always: to remind us that there is that which always transcends our human definition of &#8220;the good society&#8221; and &#8220;good religion.&#8221;  Such a person, in my view, may well have been schooled in the bridge between Kenya and Kansas.  He certainly has charisma and wishes to listen and learn from citizens here and citizens in nations elsewhere. I hope that Barack Obama has occasion to meet Robert Bellah. They share poignant habits of the heart.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillipe Copeland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillipe Copeland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a really thought provoking post. It makes me think about the issue of how various groups are defined and how they define themselves and the implications. While I agree that terms like &quot;Islamofascism&quot; are problematic, they make a connection that is made by those who subscribe to the various interpretations of Islam that the phrase refers to, namely that Islam is essential to their worldview and motivates their actions. It seems to me that groups like Al-Qaeda do not view themselves as generic freedom fighters but as &quot;Muslims&quot;. Is using language that acknowledges that a form of bigotry? For example, various strains of black nationalism from political to cultural identify their race as essential to their worldview and approach to social change. When someone who is not black refers to &quot;black nationalists&quot; or &quot;black separatists&quot; are they putting down all black people? Why not talk about &quot;Christian terrorists&quot; or &quot;Hindu extremists&quot; if these groups identify their religion as the basis for what they do? 

While I agree that efforts toward peace and reconciliation require that we be mindful of the power of language, I&#039;m not sure that using language that obscures the religious nature of religious motivated violence (whatever the religion) is the answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a really thought provoking post. It makes me think about the issue of how various groups are defined and how they define themselves and the implications. While I agree that terms like &#8220;Islamofascism&#8221; are problematic, they make a connection that is made by those who subscribe to the various interpretations of Islam that the phrase refers to, namely that Islam is essential to their worldview and motivates their actions. It seems to me that groups like Al-Qaeda do not view themselves as generic freedom fighters but as &#8220;Muslims&#8221;. Is using language that acknowledges that a form of bigotry? For example, various strains of black nationalism from political to cultural identify their race as essential to their worldview and approach to social change. When someone who is not black refers to &#8220;black nationalists&#8221; or &#8220;black separatists&#8221; are they putting down all black people? Why not talk about &#8220;Christian terrorists&#8221; or &#8220;Hindu extremists&#8221; if these groups identify their religion as the basis for what they do? </p>
<p>While I agree that efforts toward peace and reconciliation require that we be mindful of the power of language, I&#8217;m not sure that using language that obscures the religious nature of religious motivated violence (whatever the religion) is the answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Emil Dzhuraev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emil Dzhuraev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Professor Bellah&#039;s comment is very important. Unfortunately, it is only a rare occasion of raising this issue, in the otherwise seemingly prolific midst of discussions of the presidential primaries. I wish there was a much more sustained and broadly encompassing discussion taking place of the general discourse being proffered in this race. The broader issue is the making of a &#039;sound bite&#039;, or emotive, democracy, which forecloses any genuine discussion and understanding. Danger, hope, change, Islam, and other slogans are becoming not just the headlines, but the entirety of this broken discourse. I might humbly suggest my own little &lt;a href=&quot;http://emilbek.blogspot.com/2008/01/assembly-line-democracy-of-us.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;thought on this&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professor Bellah&#8217;s comment is very important. Unfortunately, it is only a rare occasion of raising this issue, in the otherwise seemingly prolific midst of discussions of the presidential primaries. I wish there was a much more sustained and broadly encompassing discussion taking place of the general discourse being proffered in this race. The broader issue is the making of a &#8217;sound bite&#8217;, or emotive, democracy, which forecloses any genuine discussion and understanding. Danger, hope, change, Islam, and other slogans are becoming not just the headlines, but the entirety of this broken discourse. I might humbly suggest my own little <a href="http://emilbek.blogspot.com/2008/01/assembly-line-democracy-of-us.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">thought on this</a>.</p>
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