Comments on: Imagine if Luis Moreno-Ocampo Were to Indict President Omar al Bashir http://blogs.ssrc.org/darfur/2008/06/15/imagine-if-luis-moreno-ocampo-were-to-indict-president-omar-al-bashir/ Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:36:10 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Dr Nazim Haidar http://blogs.ssrc.org/darfur/2008/06/15/imagine-if-luis-moreno-ocampo-were-to-indict-president-omar-al-bashir/comment-page-1/#comment-2028 Dr Nazim Haidar Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:14:51 +0000 http://blogs.ssrc.org/darfur/?p=524#comment-2028 If you read the history of Luis Moreno-Ocampo you will know how he is thinking. To compare the current situation in Sudan as that of Argentina in the 80th is abig mistake. All I can say is that Luis Moreno-Ocampo is completely ignorant about the Sudan problems. At the time when the problems of Darfur are about to be resolved he came out with his decision. It gave all of us the impression that he works against Sudan rather than for Sudan. He is definitely going to lead us to a disaster in which the normal Sudanese will be the victims. While Moreno-Ocampo and those who had Darfur and hat Sudan will be laughing. The damage has already happened. Albashir popularity and support is even stronger at present and a mass destruction and tribal wars is the expected outcome. So, let this man sit a side and read about the history and geography of Sudan and not Argentine If you read the history of Luis Moreno-Ocampo you will know how he is thinking. To compare the current situation in Sudan as that of Argentina in the 80th is abig mistake. All I can say is that Luis Moreno-Ocampo is completely ignorant about the Sudan problems. At the time when the problems of Darfur are about to be resolved he came out with his decision. It gave all of us the impression that he works against Sudan rather than for Sudan. He is definitely going to lead us to a disaster in which the normal Sudanese will be the victims. While Moreno-Ocampo and those who had Darfur and hat Sudan will be laughing. The damage has already happened. Albashir popularity and support is even stronger at present and a mass destruction and tribal wars is the expected outcome. So, let this man sit a side and read about the history and geography of Sudan and not Argentine

]]> By: Khalid AlMubarak http://blogs.ssrc.org/darfur/2008/06/15/imagine-if-luis-moreno-ocampo-were-to-indict-president-omar-al-bashir/comment-page-1/#comment-1858 Khalid AlMubarak Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:34:23 +0000 http://blogs.ssrc.org/darfur/?p=524#comment-1858 Andrew Natsios has recently revealed that he has actually held a meeting with Ocampo in an attempt to draw his attention to the political implications of top level indictments. The impression he got was that the ICC "did not care" because it is not interested in diplomacy! The ICC was formed through diplomacy. Exemptions of the Big Powers happened by diplomatic means. The way the resolution on Darfur was passed was diplomatic(side-stepping the US reservations ) Those who understand that the Law is only punishmet should be forced to study the history of conflict resolution in Darfur. The British rulers and "Native Administration" chiefs used to hold annual reconciliation meetings in which peace was negotiated; compensation paid, captives exchanged and peaceful coexistence resumed .Blood money (diyya) was often paid as part of reconciliation when death happened. This system is still valid in many parts of Sudan.Victims' families sometimes pardon for the sake of peace and the judges respect that. This highly sophisticated understanding of the Law has no place in the blinkered rigidity of M. Ocampo's approach . He is apparently not interested in future developments in Darfur where the warring parties have to live again as neighbours. Andrew Natsios has recently revealed that he has actually held a meeting with Ocampo in an attempt to draw his attention to the political implications of top level indictments. The impression he got was that the ICC “did not care” because it is not interested in diplomacy!
The ICC was formed through diplomacy. Exemptions of the Big Powers happened by diplomatic means. The way the resolution on Darfur was passed
was diplomatic(side-stepping the US reservations )
Those who understand that the Law is only punishmet should be forced to study the history of conflict resolution in Darfur. The British rulers and “Native Administration” chiefs used to hold annual reconciliation meetings in which peace was negotiated; compensation paid, captives exchanged and peaceful
coexistence resumed .Blood money (diyya) was often paid as part of reconciliation when death happened. This system is still valid in many parts of Sudan.Victims’ families sometimes pardon for the sake of peace and the judges respect that. This highly sophisticated understanding of the Law has no place in the blinkered rigidity of M. Ocampo’s approach . He is apparently not interested in future developments in Darfur where the warring parties have to live again as neighbours.

]]> By: Mohammed Hassan Babiker http://blogs.ssrc.org/darfur/2008/06/15/imagine-if-luis-moreno-ocampo-were-to-indict-president-omar-al-bashir/comment-page-1/#comment-1807 Mohammed Hassan Babiker Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:04:23 +0000 http://blogs.ssrc.org/darfur/?p=524#comment-1807 If the hypothetical question proves to be the case it will be a critical decision given the phase that Sudan is passing through now. Then a serious question will emerge whose interests is the ICC serving? Is the Court becomes a tool to be used to punish leaders who refuse to be dictated by powerful states? It is obvious the internal demands are pushing for peace now not for justice? This doesn’t means that there are some people from inside Sudan, whom for political reasons, want to use the outcomes of the ICC in their campaign to achieve political goals. I think the effects of this move are far more dangerous to the stability of Sudan and the region, and it may have negative impact on the ICC itself especially if people perceived it as a political body not judicial one. Moreover, this move also will not improve the situation in Darfur or the Sudan in the short term, despite the potential for satisfaction amongst rebel movements in Darfur. I might presume that there is huge pressure on the Court especially from human rights and advocacy groups who use Darfur as their breeding cow to get money from the misery of our people and they are striving very hard to keep it on the radar. One the contrary, the ordinary citizen in the desert of Darfur wants peace we should not lose sight of this reality. In the aftermath the community there has his own mechanisms for justice and healing, which is far better than westernized one in the copy of ICC. Mohammed Hassan Babiker If the hypothetical question proves to be the case it will be a critical decision given the phase that Sudan is passing through now. Then a serious question will emerge whose interests is the ICC serving? Is the Court becomes a tool to be used to punish leaders who refuse to be dictated by powerful states? It is obvious the internal demands are pushing for peace now not for justice? This doesn’t means that there are some people from inside Sudan, whom for political reasons, want to use the outcomes of the ICC in their campaign to achieve political goals. I think the effects of this move are far more dangerous to the stability of Sudan and the region, and it may have negative impact on the ICC itself especially if people perceived it as a political body not judicial one. Moreover, this move also will not improve the situation in Darfur or the Sudan in the short term, despite the potential for satisfaction amongst rebel movements in Darfur.

I might presume that there is huge pressure on the Court especially from human rights and advocacy groups who use Darfur as their breeding cow to get money from the misery of our people and they are striving very hard to keep it on the radar. One the contrary, the ordinary citizen in the desert of Darfur wants peace we should not lose sight of this reality. In the aftermath the community there has his own mechanisms for justice and healing, which is far better than westernized one in the copy of ICC.

Mohammed Hassan Babiker

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