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		<title>By: Khalid AlMubarak</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ssrc.org/darfur/2008/04/23/when-the-center-could-not-hold/comment-page-1/#comment-2463</link>
		<dc:creator>Khalid AlMubarak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the the factor which Alex avoids ?Sudan was &quot; persuaded &quot; to
adopt the magic formula which those who studied in the USA thought could lift the country from poverty and underdevelopment.I am referring to policies of 
privitisation and structural adjustment . In the short to medium terms ; this 
did revitalise the economy and move it away from the inherted command economy structures;but it is difficult to argue that the policy is the best for the marginalised and poor.The first to shed tears of sorrow for poverty in Sudan was the IMF whose  monitors made sure that government subsidies were abolished for the sake of market forces !We  can say that marginalisation was 
not challenged by Reagenite /Thatcherite policies in the short term.
The current credit crunch shows that unfettered markets have their flaws
as George Soros has warned. Nationalisation is no longer a dirty word in the UK and USA .
Sudan should draw the conclusion that  marginalisation in it is only partially home grown. It is imported . A mixed economy is the best for the future .
Those who blame Sudan for marginalisation fit the ancient Arabic aphorism
which is summariesd in two lines of verse:
He tied his hands and pushed him into the water
Then shouted warning:do not get wet!
What is surprising is that the political forces and parties which are based on the rejection of marginalisation  are paradoxically( and because of Western patronage) the most vocal suppotters of unfettered market economy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the the factor which Alex avoids ?Sudan was &#8221; persuaded &#8221; to<br />
adopt the magic formula which those who studied in the USA thought could lift the country from poverty and underdevelopment.I am referring to policies of<br />
privitisation and structural adjustment . In the short to medium terms ; this<br />
did revitalise the economy and move it away from the inherted command economy structures;but it is difficult to argue that the policy is the best for the marginalised and poor.The first to shed tears of sorrow for poverty in Sudan was the IMF whose  monitors made sure that government subsidies were abolished for the sake of market forces !We  can say that marginalisation was<br />
not challenged by Reagenite /Thatcherite policies in the short term.<br />
The current credit crunch shows that unfettered markets have their flaws<br />
as George Soros has warned. Nationalisation is no longer a dirty word in the UK and USA .<br />
Sudan should draw the conclusion that  marginalisation in it is only partially home grown. It is imported . A mixed economy is the best for the future .<br />
Those who blame Sudan for marginalisation fit the ancient Arabic aphorism<br />
which is summariesd in two lines of verse:<br />
He tied his hands and pushed him into the water<br />
Then shouted warning:do not get wet!<br />
What is surprising is that the political forces and parties which are based on the rejection of marginalisation  are paradoxically( and because of Western patronage) the most vocal suppotters of unfettered market economy!</p>
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		<title>By: Austin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ssrc.org/darfur/2008/04/23/when-the-center-could-not-hold/comment-page-1/#comment-1637</link>
		<dc:creator>Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing analysis and a great question by Corinne. If the best case scenario is &quot;modest reforms more like the African norm&quot;, it doesn&#039;t at all seem very encouraging considering what the African norm actually is now days. What do you think about the possibilities of a regime change in the country from national rather than external forces? Given that the democratic process seems a bit drowsy, do you see any hope for a coalition of any sorts to challenge the status quo there in Sudan? There is an article I read recently by Bill Bonor, a former member of the Sudanese Communist Party, in which he poses this very possibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing analysis and a great question by Corinne. If the best case scenario is &#8220;modest reforms more like the African norm&#8221;, it doesn&#8217;t at all seem very encouraging considering what the African norm actually is now days. What do you think about the possibilities of a regime change in the country from national rather than external forces? Given that the democratic process seems a bit drowsy, do you see any hope for a coalition of any sorts to challenge the status quo there in Sudan? There is an article I read recently by Bill Bonor, a former member of the Sudanese Communist Party, in which he poses this very possibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex de Waal</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ssrc.org/darfur/2008/04/23/when-the-center-could-not-hold/comment-page-1/#comment-1631</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex de Waal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corinne raises some interesting and challenging points: how to break the cycle of predatory state finance? How to make governments herders rather than hunters? Bates&#039; analysis--though building on an established body of work--is innovative in some fundamental ways, which means that few have begun to think about the appropriate responses.

Looking at sub-Saharan Africa as a whole, the mainstream international strategy of the last decade could be characterized as a twin focus on building sustainable state finance (through improved macroeconomic management and policies that &quot;bring the state back in&quot; to the center of national economic planning) alongside what we might call &quot;benevolent dependency&quot;--using international aid as a prop to improved governance. The British government&#039;s use of direct budgetary support to what it considers the best-governed developing countries is aimed at making aid predictable over long periods of time. The NEPAD philosophy of African peer review for governance was developed on the assumption that African countries which are all dependent on the same sources of external finance would have a common interest in policing one another.

The results have been mixed. It&#039;s probably too early to make a definitive judgment but there are good reasons to suspect that elite behavior hasn&#039;t changed much. We can conjecture a number of reasons. Aid instruments are very blunt indeed as means of changing domestic governance. The challenge to western hegemony in Africa with the declining standing of the U.S. and the rise of Asia has further blunted these instruments.

What of Sudan, an extreme case of a predatory government? In the 1990s it was subjected to the most extreme regime of economic isolation and austerity of any country in Africa, and its survival showed the limits of an approach based on sanctions. The hope of the CPA was that expanding oil revenues, international assistance and debt relief, would combine to satisfy the appetites of the elites in both North and South. That approach has only been tried in a less-than-half-hearted manner--oil revenues have faltered and the aid/debt relief peace dividend hasn&#039;t materialized. Moreover the Darfur crisis and the international response to it have locked Khartoum back into an ever more short-term mode of crisis management in the security, political and economic sectors.

My view is that the essential precondition for any resolution to Sudan&#039;s national questions, including Darfur&#039;s crisis, is consensus on a long-term formula for how to govern Sudan. Only Sudanese can achieve this. They came very close to that in 2005 but the deal has slipped almost out of reach today. We should be realistic in what such a consensus will be--all will agree that a democratic system should displace a patrimonial one, but none of the elites have any interest in changing patrimonialism, merely in altering the flows of resources in their favor. Hence the importance of the power-sharing formulae adopted in negotiations and the expanded resource flows that arise from wealth-sharing agreements. On the basis of such a consensus, the international community can provide much of the finance needed to make the system work. We should have modest expectations about transforming Sudan&#039;s political economy: it can certainly be modestly reformed and be less predatory, more like the African norm, but that&#039;s about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corinne raises some interesting and challenging points: how to break the cycle of predatory state finance? How to make governments herders rather than hunters? Bates&#8217; analysis&#8211;though building on an established body of work&#8211;is innovative in some fundamental ways, which means that few have begun to think about the appropriate responses.</p>
<p>Looking at sub-Saharan Africa as a whole, the mainstream international strategy of the last decade could be characterized as a twin focus on building sustainable state finance (through improved macroeconomic management and policies that &#8220;bring the state back in&#8221; to the center of national economic planning) alongside what we might call &#8220;benevolent dependency&#8221;&#8211;using international aid as a prop to improved governance. The British government&#8217;s use of direct budgetary support to what it considers the best-governed developing countries is aimed at making aid predictable over long periods of time. The NEPAD philosophy of African peer review for governance was developed on the assumption that African countries which are all dependent on the same sources of external finance would have a common interest in policing one another.</p>
<p>The results have been mixed. It&#8217;s probably too early to make a definitive judgment but there are good reasons to suspect that elite behavior hasn&#8217;t changed much. We can conjecture a number of reasons. Aid instruments are very blunt indeed as means of changing domestic governance. The challenge to western hegemony in Africa with the declining standing of the U.S. and the rise of Asia has further blunted these instruments.</p>
<p>What of Sudan, an extreme case of a predatory government? In the 1990s it was subjected to the most extreme regime of economic isolation and austerity of any country in Africa, and its survival showed the limits of an approach based on sanctions. The hope of the CPA was that expanding oil revenues, international assistance and debt relief, would combine to satisfy the appetites of the elites in both North and South. That approach has only been tried in a less-than-half-hearted manner&#8211;oil revenues have faltered and the aid/debt relief peace dividend hasn&#8217;t materialized. Moreover the Darfur crisis and the international response to it have locked Khartoum back into an ever more short-term mode of crisis management in the security, political and economic sectors.</p>
<p>My view is that the essential precondition for any resolution to Sudan&#8217;s national questions, including Darfur&#8217;s crisis, is consensus on a long-term formula for how to govern Sudan. Only Sudanese can achieve this. They came very close to that in 2005 but the deal has slipped almost out of reach today. We should be realistic in what such a consensus will be&#8211;all will agree that a democratic system should displace a patrimonial one, but none of the elites have any interest in changing patrimonialism, merely in altering the flows of resources in their favor. Hence the importance of the power-sharing formulae adopted in negotiations and the expanded resource flows that arise from wealth-sharing agreements. On the basis of such a consensus, the international community can provide much of the finance needed to make the system work. We should have modest expectations about transforming Sudan&#8217;s political economy: it can certainly be modestly reformed and be less predatory, more like the African norm, but that&#8217;s about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Corinne Dee</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ssrc.org/darfur/2008/04/23/when-the-center-could-not-hold/comment-page-1/#comment-1618</link>
		<dc:creator>Corinne Dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your commentary on Bates&#039; thesis and additional observations is in-depth and thought-provoking. I cannot, however, help but be drawn to what could be possibly interpreted as somewhat of a weakness in your conclusion, or at the least, a puzzling hole left in your otherwise tightly woven thoughts.

You state that the only solution to the problems in the Sudan (and by extension Darfur) is to reconfigure and strengthen the state&#039;s finances. Based on the facts you have presented, is it hard to doubt the veracity of this argument. Common sense alone tells us if the system is broken it should likely be replaced. What I am curious about though is, how exactly is that you believe this should be accomplished?

The repeated source of political unrest and weakness in this area, to summarize, is that leaders are repeatedly in need of funds which they must (or prefer to) gather in the short-term, leading them to pry them from the already under-priveleged through various means. This leads to negative reprisals from the people. The new leader then comes in at a time of economic instability and political unrest, and is in a hurry to secure his position. He seeks favor from the elite, but there is still a pressing need for funds to attempt to rebuild and protect the system from the already present unrest. With few other sources of revenue, the new leader turns to plundering the people as a way of quickly building funds. Thus the cycle continues itself.

So what then is one precisely supposed to do to break it? Past leaders have attempted to court outside sources of revenue, to no avail. International aid has itself only taken on the form of tackling the short term, which has in its own way only helped to exacerbate the problem. The Sudan clearly needs to find some way to stop living in the short-term. But what is that exactly?

It seems to me that if there were some way to change the political structure itself in order to make room for leaders more connected to the very parts of society the government has formerly been so fond of pillaging, and to find a way to develop an international aid project to help be a source of long-term stabilizing funds, this could help &quot;fix&quot; the system and bring the Sudan out of its current vicious cycle. Although, the accomplishment of either of these goals, let alone both, would be very difficult and indeed it is even hard to visualize how they could be carried out specifically.

What about you? What are you ideas of what needs to be done?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your commentary on Bates&#8217; thesis and additional observations is in-depth and thought-provoking. I cannot, however, help but be drawn to what could be possibly interpreted as somewhat of a weakness in your conclusion, or at the least, a puzzling hole left in your otherwise tightly woven thoughts.</p>
<p>You state that the only solution to the problems in the Sudan (and by extension Darfur) is to reconfigure and strengthen the state&#8217;s finances. Based on the facts you have presented, is it hard to doubt the veracity of this argument. Common sense alone tells us if the system is broken it should likely be replaced. What I am curious about though is, how exactly is that you believe this should be accomplished?</p>
<p>The repeated source of political unrest and weakness in this area, to summarize, is that leaders are repeatedly in need of funds which they must (or prefer to) gather in the short-term, leading them to pry them from the already under-priveleged through various means. This leads to negative reprisals from the people. The new leader then comes in at a time of economic instability and political unrest, and is in a hurry to secure his position. He seeks favor from the elite, but there is still a pressing need for funds to attempt to rebuild and protect the system from the already present unrest. With few other sources of revenue, the new leader turns to plundering the people as a way of quickly building funds. Thus the cycle continues itself.</p>
<p>So what then is one precisely supposed to do to break it? Past leaders have attempted to court outside sources of revenue, to no avail. International aid has itself only taken on the form of tackling the short term, which has in its own way only helped to exacerbate the problem. The Sudan clearly needs to find some way to stop living in the short-term. But what is that exactly?</p>
<p>It seems to me that if there were some way to change the political structure itself in order to make room for leaders more connected to the very parts of society the government has formerly been so fond of pillaging, and to find a way to develop an international aid project to help be a source of long-term stabilizing funds, this could help &#8220;fix&#8221; the system and bring the Sudan out of its current vicious cycle. Although, the accomplishment of either of these goals, let alone both, would be very difficult and indeed it is even hard to visualize how they could be carried out specifically.</p>
<p>What about you? What are you ideas of what needs to be done?</p>
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